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Jeremy Cliff

12-07-2008, 03:31 PM

I became really good friends with the President of the Lamborghini club and now shoot photos and video for the cruises we do. Here's some of my favorites from this cruise to Rockford.

Jack's Lamborghini Diablo
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3167/2939303247_479b937821.jpg

Wade's Porsche Turbo
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3227/2939326739_c74750ec39.jpg

Glen's Batman Vette
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3166/2940205242_32073e626d.jpg

Joe's Ferrari F430
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3249/2940204152_dc689af146.jpg

Joe's Ferrari F430
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3253/2939339107_f733fcb27a.jpg

Joe's F430, Robert's Gallardo and Joe's Diablo
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3227/2940153990_4210eeabf7.jpg

You can see the rest of them here. http://flickr.com/photos/jeremycliff/sets/72157608008707613/

John Thawley

12-07-2008, 04:28 PM

This seems to be more about cars than photography.

Jeremy Cliff

12-07-2008, 04:36 PM

Todd Corzett

12-07-2008, 09:45 PM

Well, I wouldn't say they totally suck... but several of these seem a bit 'snapshot' ish to me. Take the first two shots... basically over exposed glare of a car parked over a nasty white line... and a car with a tree growing in front of it with a missing nose and a big fat cone. Not to say that other shots aren't better thought out, like the F430 ones, but they are still full of many distractions. Yes, events are quite distracting places to shoot cars... and it's not like they are not welcome here... but it's difficult to see that much thought went into some of these (hence the photography comment)... take the shot of Glen's Batman Vette... great car, but heck it's parked in front of a dumpster!

It seems like you have lots of friends with great cars... ask a few of them to do some shooting outside of the parking lots. Setup something planned... work on the details... and create something more than just a 'snapshot'. Rick's Gallardo (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3173/3066350879_87bca1900f.jpg) shot from your other thread would be a semi-decent example (if it didn't have the shadow from the car next to it at the right, it would be even better).

-Todd...

Jeremy Cliff

12-07-2008, 10:59 PM

John Thawley

12-07-2008, 11:04 PM

So are you telling me my photos suck or what? Or is it because I put the names of the people with the car? I looked at everyone else's "event" pics and I don't see why mine wouldn't or don't fit into that category or why it is more about cars then photography. If you explain what you mean I'd appreciate it.

I didn't say your photos suck.

However, the majority of your dialogue that accompanied them was more about the cars... and as Todd pointed out, doesn't appear a lot of thought went into the individual photos. Todd's a bit more generous than me. They are not snapshot-ish... they are snapshots. In this day and age where every Tom, Dick and Harry can buy a DSLR with a kit lens and throw it on "Auto"... I'm not seeing anything of "value add" brought to the table by operator input.

So, given the information provided to me, I'm left with the impression that your passion may be more toward cars than photography.

Sorry if you find that offensive... but I'm about photography first.

JT

Jeremy Cliff

12-07-2008, 11:24 PM

I didn't say your photos suck.

However, the majority of your dialogue that accompanied them was more about the cars... and as Todd pointed out, doesn't appear a lot of thought went into the individual photos. Todd's a bit more generous than me. They are not snapshot-ish... they are snapshots. In this day and age where every Tom, Dick and Harry can buy a DSLR with a kit lens and throw it on "Auto"... I'm not seeing anything of "value add" brought to the table by operator input.

So, given the information provided to me, I'm left with the impression that your passion may be more toward cars than photography.

Sorry if you find that offensive... but I'm about photography first.

JT

Well I guess everyone has their own opinion. I didn't just "buy a DSLR with a kit lens and throw it on "Auto"" to shoot these. I planned out the shots I wanted and got them. Some like, some don't. I guess labeling the car's instead of numbering them was the wrong thing to do. I'll number then from now on. I don't find it offensive. C&C is a good thing and I love to hear what everyone has to say, good or bad.

Jeremy Cliff

12-07-2008, 11:48 PM

To both of you guys. Sorry if I came off some what snobbish or seemed like I had an attitude. I apologize. I need to take CC better! :) I am wondering though what you guys would do to improve the shots. What would your idea of an un-snapshotish picture be given those pics I posted. I'd appreciate knowing for next time. Looking at them they may not have been the best to post but whats done is done. So... What would you change or what would make the pics better? Thanks!

Jeremy

Todd Corzett

12-08-2008, 12:21 AM

TWhat would you change or what would make the pics better?

1) Car parked in a spot with tons of glare on the windshield that is totally blown-out. The car is not straight, but not 3/4. The front wheels are turned the wrong way. There is a black car in the background along with some other distracting elements (posts, etc.). The white line on the ground is just out of place. It looks to me like you walked-up to a car parked in a parking lot and 'snapped' a photo. The light is very harsh as well (has to do with the time of the day, in which a planned shoot should not be done in). This is a very snapshot photo.

2) Hiding is one thing, but you are blocking the car with the branch... If you have the branches framing the front/rear of the car that would be cool. There is a big orange cone in the way of the car (which should have been removed). There is also something blue trying to sneak into the left side of the frame. You cut-off the front of the car and there are other distracting cars in the background... clearly not a staged event.

3) Nice angle on the car, but the background is a dumpster. There are also several very distracting reflections in the roof/windscreen. If you moved the car farther away from the building your stood up/down a bit you may have been able to minimize them. The vertical line separating the right and left sides of the background are also distracting from the car. I will say that I like how the car is squared-up to the camera (unlike #1).

4) Not bad, but background is quite distracting (I keep seeing the yellow pole). The light isn't really the greatest (but is MUCH better than #1) as the shadows of the cars are very obvious... and the shadow from the car on the right shows that you didn't position the car to take the shot. If I was shooting this same location I would have turned the car more towards the left so the long side of the car was being hit by the light (and the shadow would be more hidden). You could also put the car closer to the bottom of the frame, as the empty foreground isn't that interesting. This is more of a non-snapshot.

5) My favorite angle of the bunch, but the discontinuous background is distracting. The shadow from the car to the right is also there as well. The processing (vignette) is not too bad, but is obvious (there is a bit of a halo around the car). It is also a bit centered. This one is also not as snapshot-ish.

6) Not a bad group shot, but there are people wandering around in the background. Yes, it's great documentation of the event... but it's less photogenic for me (and more journalistic). I like the angle and the space you left to the right side of the Diablo... however you left part of another car in the frame (along with it's shadow). The white line and the power poles are really distracting. If I was going to be setting-up this shot I'd have moved the yellow Lamborghini a little more to the left and turned it a bit, same with the Ferrari. The people around it makes it seem more like a snapshot... just because you kneel it doesn't make something not a snapshot.

To me I like the industrial type look of the pictures.
Industrial is OK (although overdone, I do like the look myself) but you still have to watch for distractions (like dumpsters).

I haven't had any body else say that the background is distracting.
Were the people who saw these photographers? or car owners or car fans? To be blunt here... 9 out of 10 car owners or fans don't know squat about photography and will think everything of their car is great. Not to be said that photographers are better because they notice these things, but these little details that most people other than photographers just don't notice, are what separate the snapshots from the photographs and the good from the great.

I guess I'll have to think before I post next time.Please don't take critiques as us not liking the photos, but if you came here to get more "really awesome photo" comments from everyone... you are going to be disappointed. The people of this forum are automotive photographers so will look very closely at the photography... heck, I don't care if it's a ferrari or a pinto... a sloppy photo is a sloppy photo.

I guess labeling the car's instead of numbering them was the wrong thing to do. I'll number then from now on.
This has absolutely nothing to do with it. I actually like the personal relation with the photos that it creates... but it doesn't change the comments above.

So, like I said in my first comment... take these cars out and do something special in a location that is not a parking lot. If you wanted to do the industrial look stuff at the location from #4... don't have another car next to it. Look at the light and position the car appropriately. Spend some time looking at how the car is composed in the photo (not just smacked in the center). Take some time to look for out of place items (like the cone in front of the Porsche shot). Etc... you will get a feel for what to look for as you do more of this stuff.

And lastly... don't be afraid to share! There are many talented photographers here on the forum to learn from. People will point out things you may have never thought about before... and you may share some cool concepts with us all as well. Keep it up, and I look forward to seeing more!

-Todd...

Jeremy Cliff

12-08-2008, 12:40 AM

Thank you! I would much rather have a nice detailed list of what is wrong and what I could do better then someone just stating this is snapshotish. I understand that this is very time consuming to type out but I greatly appreciate everything you said and will definitely take everything into consideration. I will say that i think i did my best given the circumstances. I didn't position any of the cars in any of the shots so I had to work with what I had. Trust me if I could move them around to how I wanted I think they'd be much better. Given what I had to work with I'm happy with them. Its hard to deal with the shadows and light because of how the cars are parked. All in a row like you see in the last one. Except for the industrial style ones there are 14 cars or so in a line. I'll try some different stuff next time though.

You are right about the car owner/car enthusiast comment. But in the same sense its what makes them happy isn't it? Not arguing your point but if they're happy.... thats good.

By no means am I hear to get "awesome photo" comments. I happen to stumble upon it and am hoping to gain some more knowledge about car photography in general. I've only been doing this for the last 2 months or so.

Again. Thank you for your awesome critique and comments. I look forward to putting them to work next seasons along with any other stuff I learn on here.

Steve Stein

12-08-2008, 12:57 AM

These would be great cars to shoot if you could do a one on one instead of a bunch of them all at once. I'm still pretty new to shooting cars and I try to look at the backgrounds first since these will stick out and ruin a good car. Things like signs, power lines, lines in road/parking lot bug the heck out of me. Also, these cars all have unique features, so maybe close in on them instead of doing just full body shots. Mix in some interior/engine bay shots too. From what I learned from others here is try to tell a story.

I've been on this board only a few months, but the guys who post here know what they are doing. I've learned a lot in a few months and everyone is willing to help.

Jeremy, you have the Chicago Auto Show coming up in a few months. Make a point of going and try to take shots of the cars while minimizing the distractions of the crowd. You'd be surprised you can take some really good shots where it doesn't look like anyone is there. A little planning up front goes a long way.

Todd Corzett

12-08-2008, 12:57 AM

You are right about the car owner/car enthusiast comment. But in the same sense its what makes them happy isn't it?
If they are the client, yes... but what I care more about is this...

Given what I had to work with I'm happy with them.

Now, just remove the "given what I had to work with" and try to get shots that you will be happy with no matter what the circumstances. If there is something that's not perfect... make it perfect. Remember, the situation is what you make of it.

-Todd...

Cyril Ma

12-08-2008, 01:07 AM

You are right about the car owner/car enthusiast comment. But in the same sense its what makes them happy isn't it? Not arguing your point but if they're happy.... thats good.

When I shoot for myself, I shoot to make me happy.

when I shoot for a client, I'll shoot images that they want to KEEP them happy, and then shoot images that make me happy and potentially blow their socks off.

There's happy, and then there's ecstatic.

Jeremy Cliff

12-08-2008, 01:43 AM

I'm definitely going to do some more one on one stuff with these guys. This was right when I really started to get to know them but now that I'm really good friends with them we have some good stuff planned.

Steve- On my flickr I have some more detailed and close up shots of the cars but I only posted the full car shots here.

Cyril- I do have some shots that made, and still make me and the owner, ecstatic. :) Not these. But I do have some that I know will keep me happy for quite some time. Just don't know where to post them....

Thanks guys.

John Thawley

12-08-2008, 01:59 AM

Jeremy:

To simplify the rationale that's being tossed around here... and to get down to the snapshot comment; these are fabulous cars. Right? Now.... you are carrying this story about these fabulous cars back to people (your viewers) who weren't there. Now... you know this is an amazing crop of cars. AMAZING.

Your job is the story teller. You're job is to tell your story with photos. If this were a written story, you've delivered a laundry list telling me about a group of guys that showed up with a bunch of expensive cars. One guy parked his orange (something) in a parking lot. There was a Porsche behind some bushes with an orange cone in front of it and a black vetter over by this dumpster. Then after this Ferrari drove down the alley, these other three guys parked out front.

See where I'm going here.... you didn't weave much of a story. Now... yeah... if I were a car freak, I'd probably want to show up next time. (Hence my comment that this post was more about the cars) - BUT... this was a few million dollars worth of machinery. Hell... if I knew nothing about cars... that sounds like a sight I might want to see.

Find a way to tell the story.... and make it as exciting as it was for you to be there. You reported and documented the event. That's not what great photos are about. And think about it... even great photojournalists make you think.

Do I need to see the whole car? Can't I assume it has two fenders ... two headlights... four wheels? What about the elegant lines... what about the carbon fiber... the titanium... the leather... the details?

Tell me a story... make me want to go to this thing. Better yet, make me feel like I did go.

Just an FYI, this is last month's assignment winner.

http://www.automotivephoto.net/storage/Thaw_217314.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1224575 711604

Shot at a dealership on Sunday.

http://gallery.johnthawley.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=113300&g2_serialNumber=1
Vintage car show.... all lined up.

http://gallery.johnthawley.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=113286&g2_serialNumber=1
In a garage stall

http://gallery.johnthawley.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=97454&g2_serialNumber=1
Woodward Dream Cruise (parked at a parking meter)

http://gallery.johnthawley.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=58303&g2_serialNumber=2
Detroit Autoshow... (peek-a-boo using waiting crowd)

http://gallery.johnthawley.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=61745&g2_serialNumber=2
Street car show in St. Pete, FL

http://gallery.johnthawley.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=73135&g2_serialNumber=2
Concours d' Elegance of Meadowbrook

I put these examples here for a couple of reasons. First, they're in crowded and confined situations. Second, to give you a sense of "thinking" about what you're shooting, and third, because I don't shoot static or event photography. Most of these were done for my own pleasure. I'm a motorsports guy.

Remember.... anyone can buy great equipment. And in this day and age, it doesn't take a whole lot of skill to center your subject and get a clear and in focus shot and an accurate exposure. The advantage you have is your mind. How you think. How you see. How YOU interpret the scene/story and make it come alive in the camera and on the page.

Think before you shoot.

Hope that helps.

JT

Jeremy Cliff

12-08-2008, 02:22 AM

Thanks JT. Maybe they weren't the best pics to post to cover the event. There is more to it. And I really LOL'd at your "story". I guess the pics that I posted up didn't make a whole lot of sense. To me those were MY favorite shots. To be honest I was there shooting the video of the cruise. Video is my main thing yet lately I'm struggling juggling both photo and video. A lot of these pics were rushed but hand MY thought behind them. I do see what you mean though. I took a lot of detail shots like the ones you posted but when showing these pics to the people who were there and want to see shots of their cars... who wants to see a shot of a mirror? Your Gallardo one kind of confuses me to be honest and I don't care for it that much. Same with the garage stall one. I do love the others how ever and think they are amazing photos. Maybe something more like this

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3017/2939331191_60ae21a689.jpg

or this

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3024/2939328889_69d0ea1dd2.jpg

or this

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3170/2884376982_7c3998d25e.jpg

or this

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3198/3004099177_1747eaf8ec.jpg

or this

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3061/3065901913_787243c2ef.jpg

or this

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3215/3065939821_0bc20f8e45.jpg

Those seem more the "style" of shot that you are talking about. Those probably aren't the best examples but the first ones I saw on my flickr.

Thank you for the tips and comments though. I really like reading them and like to see what other people think and say as far as what to do different with my stuff. So thank you for the words of advise and please... keep them coming. :)

Perry Bennett

12-08-2008, 03:06 AM

JT-

LOVE this pic:
http://gallery.johnthawley.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=73135&g2_serialNumber=2

Jeremy, its more than just a picture of a mirror. Did you take any art classes in college?

This picture has LOTS going for it-- Color, shape, line, balance, emphasis, etc. This is more piece of motosports art rather than a car picture. It has abstract qualities, but we know what it is, which makes it a great picture. Don't know if JT was thinking about all of that when he shot it or if he was thinking, hey, what a cool mirror!...

Nice pic, JT-- and great examples for someone shooting in tight situations.

[note- I DO wish the shadow on the right side of the Ferrari was not there... but still like it overall]

Jeremy Cliff

12-08-2008, 10:09 AM

Perry- I know there's more to it then just a mirror. My point was going to this cruise people want to see pics of their CAR. Not so much the mirror of their car. JT's pic is very nice I was just saying that I don't want to go to a cruise like this and then come back with just tight shots like that. People like to see their whole car.

I'm a film video major right now so I know what you mean with color, shapes, lines, all that stuff. I didn't mean to cut down his picture in anyway so sorry for the confusion.

John Thawley

12-08-2008, 10:29 AM

People like to see their whole car..

Then "people" should bring their little cameras and ask someone to take their picture next to the car too.

Sorry... "people" aren't going to tell me how to shoot. If you hire me, you hire me for what I do. It's my job to bring a fresh look to the table... and something that says "wow."

NOW... that said, if you want me to shoot your "whole car".... toddle your ass over there... get in it, and park it where I tell you I need it parked to perform the job I was hired to do. I don't do "McPhoto" or drive through shoots.

Sorry.... the customer is RARELY right.

JT

Bill Jurasz

12-08-2008, 10:59 AM

You are right about the car owner/car enthusiast comment. But in the same sense its what makes them happy isn't it? Not arguing your point but if they're happy.... thats good.
Well, yeah, the customer needs to be happy. But realize that there is a difference between happy and thrilled, and you also need to consider how high their standards are. Car owners will usually be "happy" with any photo of their car. I've seen some truly horrendous photos on car photo forums that people say are great photos. So this begs the question: are they willing to pay for photos that they are "happy" with? Because they can get photos that make them happy for free from nearly anyone because their standards for "happy" are pretty low. If you want people to pay you for your time you need to thrill them.

Todd Corzett

12-08-2008, 11:07 AM

My point was going to this cruise people want to see pics of their CAR. Not so much the mirror of their car. People like to see their whole car.
You are correct. People like to see the car and what is going on at the cruise, but that doesn't mean that you can't make those whole-car photos the best they can be. Also, many of these cars have unique touches that the owners have done (like the batman logo on the front of the Corvette) that combined with whole car shots can make for a very nice set of images. And yes, I saw the close-up shots in the flickr gallery, so I know you have a good eye for some of this stuff.

Now a question for you... why are you shooting at the cruise? There may not be one answer, but what is your real motivation? If you are there to get photos that document the cruise and shows the cars and their owners walking around, etc... then the photos you will take are going to be different than if you are shooting for a magazine feature of a single car. Personally, when I go to a cruise or concourse I'm going for my enjoyment (unless on assignment for a client) and for the most part I'm there to make me happy. Yes, I will shoot some shots to make the owners happy, but the vast majority of my time goes into taking photos that make me happy.

I didn't mean to cut down his picture in anyway so sorry for the confusion.
You don't need to apologize when you don't like something... I don't like the red/yellow mirror shot myself...

JT - I do love the Woodward Dream Cruise one. The curves from right to left and back to the wheel just make my eyes go round and round the image when I look at it.

-Todd...

Jeremy Cliff

12-08-2008, 01:54 PM

Todd- To answer your question "why are you shooting at the cruise" It is basically for my enjoyment. I was not "hired" to do these. I don't get paid for them. Its a group of friends who go out, cruise, show off the cars and I just happen to be into photography and take some, what i thought, decent pics. I wasn't going for the artsy style of the close up shots of the mirrors and stuff like was posted. I have some and I like them but for me I really love some of the pics I posted. In each one there is something I would change. But for the most part I'm happy with them.

I know there is a big difference in shooting a cruise and a feature on a car. I like to show the "cruise" and friends side of it. I took a lot of people shots and stuff like that which I thought documented the event how it happened. I guess the cruise stuff is more of a documentation of the event then to make some really crazy photos. I'm sure all of you know how rushed and stressful an event like that can be so you only have so much to do in so little time. Thats what private shoots are for and we have a good amount of them planned out. :)

Now, whats to say that since you guys arent ecstatic over these shots that the owners are not?

The owner of the Batman Vette blew this pics up to 24x36 and said it was his favorite shot of the car he has. Its in front of the dumpster still just a little bit different angle...
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3216/2942311428_37ab0dcb54.jpg

John Thawley

12-08-2008, 02:14 PM

I guess the cruise stuff is more of a documentation of the event then to make some really crazy photos. Which brings us full circle to my original comment. These photos are more about the cars than photography. :) Right?
Now, whats to say that since you guys arent ecstatic over these shots that the owners are not? Because WE are the ones looking at them and discussing them.
The owner of the Batman Vette blew this pics up to 24x36 and said it was his favorite shot of the car he has. Its in front of the dumpster still just a little bit different angle...
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3216/2942311428_37ab0dcb54.jpgThe owner of the car is biased. He's looking at HIS car... not the photograph. We are discussing photography and the pursuit of quality photography.... he is looking at his car.

JT

Jeremy Cliff

12-08-2008, 02:35 PM

John Thawley

12-08-2008, 03:00 PM

Ok ok... you win. :) But seriously. Thanks for all the comments and critiques and stuff. I definitely appreciate it all. Look forward to getting comments on what ever else I post up here in the future. Hopefully they'll be more positive ;)

I think all the comments here were positive. After all, no one said... "these suck." And they don't. Just keep in mind the broad scale of ability and taste that exists out there. You'll find a lot of people here are here to push. So, status quo will be greeted with curiosity. Most want to raise the bar and be inspired. It keeps it fun and challenging.

JT

Jeremy Cliff

12-08-2008, 03:24 PM

That it does. I'll have to try and get some "different" shots the next time I'm out. Looking at a lot of the pics I have from the cruises we've done they are all the same style. Whole car, ect. Only a couple close detail shots like you guys posted. Gunna have to work on that. I just got a job at the Lamborghini dealer by my house (found out like 15 min ago! :) ) so I'll have some time to shoot more detail and work on composition and such. I tried some today after I was leaving but with the cold and snow I only got maybe one or two decent ones. Thanks again.

Is there a section to post pics to just get strictly critiqued? I saw the commercial/studio one and it seems like that might be the place. Or does it vary from different types of shots? rolling, still, ect? Just wondering cause I have some other pics that I'd love to get advice and opinions on.

Todd Corzett

12-08-2008, 09:00 PM

Is there a section to post pics to just get strictly critiqued? I saw the commercial/studio one and it seems like that might be the place. Or does it vary from different types of shots? rolling, still, ect? Just wondering cause I have some other pics that I'd love to get advice and opinions on.
Static and beauty would be a good place for most things unless it was in a studio. Events like this one are good in the event section.

If you want critiques putting it in the first post is a good way to go. Also, pick your photos carefully when you want critiques. You can link 8 photos, but too many photos makes critiques more difficult and less focused. Worst thing you could do would be to post a link to a whole gallery of hundreds of photos on flickr asking for critiques on images... pick the ones you want us to focus on and post only those.

Personally, I don't mind critiquing images that have promise and have shown to have effort put towards them (even hundreds of them). A series of shots as cars drive by the same location isn't going to get much from me. Same thing goes for a bunch of photos from a car cruise where it is clear that the photographer didn't take the time to work on the details as the shooting was going on.

-Todd...

Jeremy Cliff

12-08-2008, 09:05 PM

Static and beauty would be a good place for most things unless it was in a studio. Events like this one are good in the event section.

If you want critiques putting it in the first post is a good way to go. Also, pick your photos carefully when you want critiques. You can link 8 photos, but too many photos makes critiques more difficult and less focused. Worst thing you could do would be to post a link to a whole gallery of hundreds of photos on flickr asking for critiques on images... pick the ones you want us to focus on and post only those.

Personally, I don't mind critiquing images that have promise and have shown to have effort put towards them (even hundreds of them). A series of shots as cars drive by the same location isn't going to get much from me. Same thing goes for a bunch of photos from a car cruise where it is clear that the photographer didn't take the time to work on the details as the shooting was going on.

-Todd...

I wouldn't post up 1000 of pics to be critiqued cause they would all just get torn to shit haha. I do have a couple that I would really love to see what people on here think. None of them were job shoots or anything just stuff I shot on my own. Some are moving shots and such though so does that still count as "static" shots?

Todd Corzett

12-08-2008, 09:23 PM

I wouldn't post up 1000 of pics to be critiqued cause they would all just get torn to shit
Well, here you may just get some blanket comment or no critiques at all. Don't be afraid to have things torn-up, as you'll also hear what people like. Personally, when I'm looking for critiques I hate the 'great shot' comments... I'd much rather have someone like JT tear the shot up and show me something that I may not have otherwise seen. But I also take it as it is and from who it comes from... and I don't have to agree with what they say... but it's always good to just take it into consideration.

Some are moving shots and such though so does that still count as "static" shots?
Rolling shots are beautiful (hence the beauty part) ;)
Besides, if JT thinks they are in the wrong place he can always move them.

-Todd...

Jeremy Cliff

12-08-2008, 09:30 PM

John Thawley

12-08-2008, 11:43 PM

Very true. Although i love the great shot comments in a guilty pleasure sort of way lol. But it is good to hear whats bad about the pic. I haven't had to many professional critiques on shots so its different to see what people think. Gotta get used to that!

Oh and yes... rolling shots are beautiful. :)

Sorry... for me, with any comment, I always consider the source.

Look... no one here wants to sound conceited, but I could really give a rats ass about what some average Joe thinks about a photo.

There are guys on this board that are the equivalent of PGA golfers that travel the pro tour. They're at the top of thier game. If some PGA player ranked 150 in the world showed up at your local club, everyone on the course would be in awe. Even though the guy is only ranked 150... he's in a DIFFERENT LEAGUE. Well, many of the guys on this board are in a DIFFERENT LEAGUE.

So, you gotta understand, no one here is really going to be moved by a handful of snap shots from a car cruise. HOWEVER, and on the other hand, IF .... IF... someone posted some shots from a car cruise that were really well thought out... and stood out as damn good work, that individual would immediately earn the respect and support of these guys. That's just the way it is.

The best way to get respect on this board is show the desire to listen and to learn. AND... understand, there is not one of us who would put you down or put your photos down just for the hell of it. No one here is that way. But, no one here is going to sugar coat it either.... at least not twice.

JT

John Thawley

12-08-2008, 11:55 PM

PS:

Here are a couple of rolling shots for you:

http://www.intersportracing.com/picture/thaw_15811%20-%20version%202.jpg?pictureId=684925

http://gallery.johnthawley.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=108058&g2_serialNumber=1

http://gallery.johnthawley.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=108060&g2_serialNumber=1

http://gallery.johnthawley.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=73704&g2_serialNumber=2

http://gallery.johnthawley.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=107834&g2_serialNumber=1

http://gallery.johnthawley.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=107804&g2_serialNumber=1

Jeremy Cliff

12-09-2008, 12:03 AM

Sorry... for me, with any comment, I always consider the source.

Look... no one here wants to sound conceited, but I could really give a rats ass about what some average Joe thinks about a photo.

There are guys on this board that are the equivalent of PGA golfers that travel the pro tour. They're at the top of thier game. If some PGA player ranked 150 in the world showed up at your local club, everyone on the course would be in awe. Even though the guy is only ranked 150... he's in a DIFFERENT LEAGUE. Well, many of the guys on this board are in a DIFFERENT LEAGUE.

So, you gotta understand, no one here is really going to be moved by a handful of snap shots from a car cruise. HOWEVER, and on the other hand, IF .... IF... someone posted some shots from a car cruise that were really well thought out... and stood out as damn good work, that individual would immediately earn the respect and support of these guys. That's just the way it is.

The best way to get respect on this board is show the desire to listen and to learn. AND... understand, there is not one of us who would put you down or put your photos down just for the hell of it. No one here is that way. But, no one here is going to sugar coat it either.... at least not twice.

JT

Really confused about what you're trying to say in this post. I wasn't arguing anything or retailiating or anything. I just said the "good photo" comments are always nice. At least you know people are into it. I like to hear what everyone thinks vs. your "rats ass" comment and stuff... Sorry if I offended you or something with the previous one. Had no intentions on that.

Yes I understand that everyone is in a much different league then I am on this board. Hence why I'd love to hear the CC from people, besides "its a snapshot" stuff.

Jeremy Cliff

12-09-2008, 12:11 AM

Your rolling shots are very nice. I don't care for the Maserati one to much but I like the others. The last 2 aren't showing up for me though. Here's one of the ones I was going to post up in a new thread to get some CC on.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3245/2998496362_5e723e3bee.jpg

There's one or two other's I'd like to get some opinions on as well.

Todd Corzett

12-09-2008, 12:56 AM

Here's one of the ones I was going to post up in a new thread to get some CC on.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3245/2998496362_5e723e3bee.jpg

Very nicely done. The car looks to be driving up, which is slightly awkward for me. I like the motion in the background and the colors work nicely with the car. The Ferrari red on the hood is a little yellow/orange, but that may be because of the tree reflecting. One other thing that gets me is the driver's side window being rolled-down. I am also drawn to the stuff in the road on the bottom right. I'm personally a fan of the more head-on shots (3/4 type things) but this is a nice angle for the car (too much more head-on and you'd miss out on the F40 rear wing). All in all, quite nice!

-Todd...

Jeremy Cliff

12-09-2008, 01:04 AM

Thanks. The yellow/orange is definitely from the trees. I shot a couple others...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3028/2997650279_ea63383667.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3020/2998493650_fa5470023b.jpg

But I personally didn't like them as much. I really liked the hint of orange/yellow in the top left of the first one. I could see where the lines on the bottom right are distracting. Someone else said that as well and I cloned it out in one but never posted it.

Head on would have been hard cause it was a 2 lane road speed limit around 55. Plus I love the side of the F40. Such a beautiful car. :) Thanks for the comments though.

Todd Corzett

12-09-2008, 01:29 AM

Head on would have been hard cause it was a 2 lane road speed limit around 55. Plus I love the side of the F40. Such a beautiful car. :)
I agree with the choice to shoot the side of the car (I still remember one of my first favorite photos was a side-on profile shot of the F40 where you could barely make out the car... just the lines up the hood to the roof and the rear wing are a classic).

FYI - You can shoot head-on shots with a 2 lane roads (and not crossing the center line) with slow speed limits:

http://www.unitonestudios.com/_Other/Camaro/050901_20081x.jpg

http://www.unitonestudios.com/_Other/Camaro/050901_20147x.jpg

-Todd...

Jeremy Cliff

12-09-2008, 01:36 AM

Oh yea, I know you can do the head on 2 lane shots. Have a couple. Just don't like them near as much as the side profile of the F40. :) That first shot is pretty cool.

This is another one of my favorites. I know the front is blown out but I really like how it turned out anyway. Probably try and fix it up once finals for school are over. Its a little more head on then the F40 pic
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3047/2884227644_4b05e26c2f.jpg