Formula D sonoma

[Jacob Leveton]

all unprocessed....

http://www.everythingdrift.com/images/gallery/060709_fdson/252fdson_1697jl.jpg

http://www.everythingdrift.com/images/gallery/060709_fdson/243fdson_1643jl.jpg

http://www.everythingdrift.com/images/gallery/060709_fdson/159fdson_1404jl.jpg

http://www.everythingdrift.com/images/gallery/060709_fdson/193fdson_1473jl.jpg

http://www.everythingdrift.com/images/gallery/060709_fdson/099fdson_1160jl.jpg

http://www.everythingdrift.com/images/gallery/060708_fdson_pre/013fdson_0239jl.jpg

http://www.everythingdrift.com/images/gallery/060708_fdson_pre/049fdson_0461jl.jpg

http://www.everythingdrift.com/images/gallery/060708_fdson_pre/100fdson_0817jl.jpg

[John Thawley]

all unprocessed....



Well... that's not a badge of honor. They ALL need processing. ;)

[Jacob Leveton]

I guess i'm a fan of "as they come" out of the cameras as much as possible. I know that doesn't seem to fly much, but I don't think they're THAT bad...

[John Thawley]

Actually, they're very washed out and dull. The Red Bull car is not even close to the color of the real car. I realize some us enjoy pushing the bejesus out of the saturation, but these images are grossly undersaturated and bare very little resemblence to "life-like" colros. Additionaly, they are VERY soft and ....

As I said, unprocessed is not a badge of honor nor is it a finished product. Certainly not in the pro ranks. I think we all owe it to our clients, viewers and our reputation to put our best foot forward.

I didn't post this to knock you or your work, but you really should revisit the logic of being a "fan" of unfinished work.

JT

[Mark Scheuern]

I'm wondering, is it possible these were shot in Adobe RGB colorspace and not converted to sRGB for the web? I can't tell for certain since they don't have embedded profiles but they kind of have that look.
Mark

[Dennis Murray]

I'm wondering, is it possible these were shot in Adobe RGB colorspace and not converted to sRGB for the web? I can't tell for certain since they don't have embedded profiles but they kind of have that look.
Mark

My thought were is they were shot in JPEG with in-camera processing set to zero across the board...no contrast, saturation, sharpening.

They could use some levels, curves, saturation etc. to bring them out a little more.

[Mike Ditz]

I agree with JT (hey that rhymes...)

Show us the good stuff, the best way that you can. Who wants to see the equivalent of Kodak 200 film processed at Rite-Aid. You could get away with the right outta the camera look when you were shooting E6 (you had to get it right in camera) but not today. Cropping woiuld help too.

So what's the point of drifting other than smokey burnouts, I just don't get it. Seem slike a waste of gas and tires. But I don't think acrobatic skiing qualifies as an Olympic sport...

[Jacob Leveton]

So what's the point of drifting other than smokey burnouts, I just don't get it. Seem slike a waste of gas and tires. But I don't think acrobatic skiing qualifies as an Olympic sport...

Come out to an event next year, I'll show ya.

Seeing is believing.

[Morgan J Segal]

Come out to an event next year, I'll show ya.

Seeing is believing.


I've seen it and still don't believe it

[Jim Sykes]

I've seen it and still don't believe it

Agreed.

I saw the best quote recently that went something like this:

Drifting is to motorsports as figure skating is to the Olympics, it gives little girls and girly guys the ability to play a "sport." :D

[John Thawley]

I've seen it too. Slap my ass and call me stupid... I just don't see the point. Sorry.

[Jacob Leveton]

I've seen it too. Slap my ass and call me stupid... I just don't see the point. Sorry.

stupid.

*i'll pass on the slapping your ass part :D *

[Mark Scheuern]

Though certainly not a traditional motorsport, the skill required is obvious. Well, at least to me.

Mark

[Keith Schoeler]

I thought this was a photography forum?

I suppose some of you are the ones that said rock'n'roll would never catch on? Or perhaps that skateboarding and snowboarding are minor fads for skill deprived lower class citizens?

Stop making it that you are being forced to believe that drifting is to motorsports just as F1 is. Nobody ever said that. It's just fun.


Back on topic.... You've got similar lighting and it's all shot on the same day. Batch those jpgs.

[Austin Langley]

I guess i'm a fan of "as they come" out of the cameras as much as possible. I know that doesn't seem to fly much, but I don't think they're THAT bad...
I think the point of the "as they come" attempt is that the photo will be perfect from camera with no room for improvement, i.e. perfect contrast, color, sharpnessd, etc. These are cool shots, but make them pop! Too flat and I know you can do better.

[John Thawley]

:cool: I thought this was a photography forum?

I suppose some of you are the ones that said rock'n'roll would never catch on? Or perhaps that skateboarding and snowboarding are minor fads for skill deprived lower class citizens?

Stop making it that you are being forced to believe that drifting is to motorsports just as F1 is. Nobody ever said that. It's just fun.


Point well taken and at least it's not posted on the motorsports board. Regardless, folks are entitled to an opinion... FYI, skateboards is in its third reincarnation... I did it in the sixties when they were still made from roller skate parts. :) and Burton as made a ton off snow boards. I think the skill sets involved in both FAR surpass drifting "skills"... hell we've been doing that on snow covered parking lots since the sixties too. LOL You need to check out the ice racing (with cars) up in Minnesota.

So... meanwhile... I've seen drifting on several occassions over the last couple of years... it's stupid. My somewhat educated opinon and I'm entitled to express it.:cool:

[Jim Sykes]

What JT didnt say is he indeed say that Rock n Roll would be a fad. :D

[John Thawley]

What JT didnt say is he indeed say that Rock n Roll would be a fad. :D

No... that was Disco. LOL

[Jeff Boerio]

Well, apparently they can attract more people to a drifting event than Portland can attract to a whole weekend of ALMS activities, so that says SOMETHING. I will also have to say that I'm not a big fan of drifting. The TV coverage I've seen of drifting events leaves a lot to be desired, especially for those of us who don't "get it."

As for the photography side of things, I'll echo what others have said as well. These need SOMETHING because they don't pop at all. #2 would be much better if the whole car would have made it into the frame, and is probably my favorite of the lot. Some of the others could benefit by being "down" in the frame a little bit. JT taught me a lot on using other focus points on my camera than that big one in the middle :) And they could probably benefit from slightly faster shutter speeds (or better panning) to make sure the images are crisply in focus.

A rock n' roll junkie,

Jeff

[Andrew Wheeler]

Well, I was the first skateboarding accident in the UK back when they hit the shores in the mid 70's...

I find drifting entertaining, similar in some ways to automotive ball room dancing that should be set to classical music. I couldn't watch a whole event but when they've been sandwiched between races at CHAMP car events I have enjoyed the spectacle...

http://automotophoto.com/af1/portland/drifitng_1.jpg

Actually this was shot at Portland and our dear pal Kurt and I *nearly* got wiped out on this one...Hilarious.

http://automotophoto.com/af1/CHAMP/drifting_longbeachGP05d.jpg

http://automotophoto.com/af1/CHAMP/drifting_longbeachGP05b.jpg

Remember that weekend Todd (Long Beach...)

[Jacob Leveton]

andrew -

to me, your shots have 2 'faults' which i find with most drifting photographers...

1 - the 'jdm' / ricer angle.
2 - retna-burning saturation.

it seems to be the in thing to do, and I'm in no way trying to pick on you. But these are 2 things that I absolutely hate, and see a lot of photographers processing / composing their images that way. It's one thing i've definately focused on staying away from, thus the 'flatness' from the images. I agree they could be better with processing. But I guess it all depends on the client. In this case, the 'pay' wasn't there, so I didn't see the sense in spending time on processing them. When I finish my portfolio up in the next month or so (yes, it will cease to be coming soon then!), I will be doing some processing.

ps - thanks for the feedback and almost-civil discussion :)

[John Thawley]

You know... I was going to keep my mouth shut and let it go. But... since we're all supposed to be putting out work that strives to be on the leadiing edge, I gotta tell you Jacob... your last post is absolutely double talk.

I remember hearing Eric Clpaton talk about appearing at a show with Stevie Ray Vaughn and commenting... "man, I DON'T want to follow this guy."

There are people here who's work is top drawer.... and as much as I like billing the clients and getting paid, nothing floats my boat more than earning the respect of photographers I consider good. All they can pay me is their respect... and I bust my ass to earn it.


I guess it all depends on the client. In this case, the 'pay' wasn't there, so I didn't see the sense in spending time on processing them. When I finish my portfolio up in the next month or so (yes, it will cease to be coming soon then!), I will be doing some processing.

... yada yada yada... c'mon... give me a break. It's your work. Your name. YOUR reputation. I don't care if your portfolio is coming soon or not.... WE are not your client. We are NOT paying you... WE are supposed to be your peers.

I was under the impression that people here post thier best. Not ... "these are good enough."

Sorry man, you've lost me.

JT

[Jacob Leveton]

this was event coverage for the site i help run. cutting down from 1k to around 200 images for the weekend.... then back to working my 50 hour-a-week 'day job'.

Whatevers. I don't mind if i just lost a 'fanboy'... no loss to me.

i used one of these in a shot in a magazine (honda tuning). you bet I edited it. But for free web-sized event coverage, no processing. o well.

[John Thawley]

Fanboy?

You care to qualify that?

[Jacob Leveton]

'you've lost me' to me means that i lost you as a 'fan' of my work.

but, since we work in almost 100% mutually exclusive fields, i wonder how much that truely means to my bottom line?

[John Thawley]

'you've lost me' to me means that i lost you as a 'fan' of my work.

but, since we work in almost 100% mutually exclusive fields, i wonder how much that truely means to my bottom line?

No. I've not been a fan of your work. Quite the opposite.

Where you "lost me" was in trying to follow along with your logic and explaination of displaying sub-par images and asserting it doesn't matter. That's totally beyond me.

I must apologize though. I didn't realize this isn't your line of work and that you put in 50 hours doing something else.

JT